Thursday, October 04, 2012

General apostasy everywhere (except for US GOOD GUYS)

 
Here is another discussion typical of LDS Liberty.  Their belief is:
  • the general body of the church is in apostasy 
  • except themselves, of course.  
  • the only true church is apostate
  • except themselves, of course
  • Isaiah writes all about this
  • Avraham Gileadi is intimidated
  • he "reports" being an Isaiah expert
  • nobody should be concerned about being "cast out"
  • ELITES intimidate church authorities with the threat of murder
  • authorities and ELITES are "in cahotz"
  • Mormons are brainwashed and delusional
  • but she loves them
  • there is a curse on Ephraim
  • but it ended in 1996
  • we must study and learn these things on our own
  • church leaders are drunk and blind
  • Temple ceremonies are Masonic rites
  • it is a good thing to write letters to everyone
  • even though they ask her not to
  • the Jews are Israel, the covenant people
  • some mixed-up babbling  about the Sealed Book of Isaiah
  • revealed to her in an inspired podcast
  • who will teach these things if she doesn't
  • on and on, too many arbitrary things to mention
  • you get the gist...


Shoshan Rose
Good morning. Thomas and Leona are asking me for specifics about the LDS church and its apostasy.

Before I say anything, I would like to make it very clear that:

1] I believe the LDS church is the only true church on earth, with great truths and blessings, with the restored priesthood authority and that Isaiah writes about this church in particular as being apostate in the last days. Avraham Gileadi, who reports to be an Isaiah expert, does his best to highlight the issues, but refrains from making pointed remarks towards the LDS church, because he is afraid of being cast out again. But no one should be afraid of being cast out, as Brigham Young has already addressed this issue of latter day saints who know certain sins of the church speaking up and being cast out. Those saints do not lose their membership in the true Kingdom, but find themselves in a little boat with our Master Messiah, while the Old Ship Zion continues to go in the wrong direction, never making it to the celestial goal.

2] I believe there is a true Temple endowment ceremony, but that it has within it, masonic rites that originated in the basement of King Solomon's Temple and he got those from his Egyptian wives, of whom were not given to him. Scriptures state that Solomon sinned. I believe for everything holy, there is a counterfeit. I believe the ELITES in this world have power over the leaders of our church and if they speak up, they will be murdered. This is an absolute 100% surety. What the ELITES are afraid of is a rising number of saints dispersed throughout the world, who come to realize that the LDS church leadership is in cahotz with the ELITES, as they are under duress.

3] I love all Mormons. I love the gospel of Jesus Christ. I love the organization and framework of the church and have a high opinion of Mormons who work hard and are loyal. My complaint though, is that they are too loyal to their leaders, they use the church as more of a social club and they do not look past what their leaders tell them and have grown lazy. This is the majority of Mormons and not the minority. I think Mormons are brainwashed and delusional concerning many issues and are not thinkers, because they fear if they 'think' they will lose their salvation. So let me assure those who are afraid....a decision made by unrighteous dominion is NOT binding on earth or in heaven, as our Heavenly Father is NOT a liar. If we lean on our leaders in this 'good old boy' club for our direction, we will fall with them.

4] We must study on our own and learn truths that have been coming forth since 1996 due to the curse of 2730 years ending upon Ephraim. Our leaders have been unable to teach us, as they are drunk and blinded according to Isaiah. Here is a podcast, sharing these truths that we need to learn, while we continue to ingather as many Jews and Gentiles into the proper baptism for their salvation. The wheat are with the tares and we are not to leave the church, but lift our voices and if we are ex'd for doing so, we do not lose our salvation. But if we do not lift our voices when we know truth, we will be considered a wicked and lazy servant. When the end of the times of the Gentiles arrives, the times of the Jews will begin. I tell you the truth, there is a HUGE remnant of Jacob who know their Hebrew Roots, who began awakening to truths they had been without since 1996, and they will be unblinded to the role of Joseph at the END of the times of the Gentiles and they are going to trample upon Mormonism doctrines that are not accurate and build the New Jerusalem. They do not have 'one up' on Mormons, as Mormons have the true baptism and authority, but once their eyes are opened divinely in Isaiah 29's marvelous work and wonder, we all need to be warned, that they will arise in glory, as they are Israel, the covenant people who are about to be remembered.

http://judahandjosephnetwork.podomatic.com/entry/2011-10-08T14_26_55-07_00
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  • Jeremy Nicoll There is a lot of evidence that the Freemasons actually made it up themselves, since they probably originated somewhere around the 12th century.
  • Garrett Soelberg Interesting shoshan! these type conversations will continue to flourish and people will have to make some tough decisions. Decisions that will require personal inspiration and revelation.
  • Shoshan Rose @Garrett, agreed. How many times have we been told that a test a test a test is coming to the Lord's people. What is that test? It has to do with the words of Isaiah. Will we continue to listen to men who report to lead us in all truths, or will we think for ourselves. It is a line upon line process and we have not been taken line upon line, as another MASSIVE line came in 1996, which has been skipped over due to blindedness of the leaders. Yet a few in the church did awake and began to be confused and probably left the church. But there is no need to leave our Firstborn role, just because the leaders are blinded. In fact, we should ingather with all our might and speak up about the apostasy within the church until we are ex'd. I meet with my Bishop regularly, write to the Stake Presidency and First Presidency of the church in Utah. For this, I get told NOT to write them, NOT to teach things they do not teach, but I tell them, if I do not highlight the errors, who will? It is left up to the few.
  • Robin Leota I'm one of the blind, I'm sure. What was 1996?

If you can make any sense out of this, you're better than I.  Incredible.  Just beyond weird,  This is like "The TRUTH is OUT THERE" kind of stuff!
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Wednesday, October 03, 2012

12th Article of Faith: We believe (unless we don't)

Another revealing conversation from Facebook LDS Liberty.  More discussion about ignoring the 12th Article of Faith.

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Was it LDS Liberty that justified Plural Marriage?

 


More nonsense from LDS Liberty.  They recommend replacing the US Pledge of Allegiance with some pseudo-Religious propaganda instead.  The suggested "covenant" smacks of something that shouldn't be here at all.  I am ashamed to realize that such a poorly-considered idea comes from someone that I early on attempted to inculcate with the principles embodied in the Scout Oath.  I was apparently a poor teacher.  



 

I Pledge Allegiance to the Title of Liberty

Posted on June 29, 2012 by JC Bollers



We invite all who have entered the path toward eternal life to affirm their faithfulness to the covenant of liberty upon this land by pledging allegiance to the Title of Liberty that the blessings of liberty may rest upon our nation. We know that as we make only God our king take upon ourselves the name of Christ in all things both public and private and live his commandments in faith, that he will protect us, prosper us and number us among his covenant people. We proclaim that the understanding and performance of the very substance of this Title of Liberty will save this nation.
The following is an example of a covenant that we can make to affirm our allegiance to this standard:
“I covenant to sustain and establish the Title of Liberty and that I will not forsake God or be ashamed to take upon myself the name of Christ. And if I fall into transgression may the Lord rend me as I rend my garment.

 Then Connor goes on to explain why the Pledge is socialist propaganda, and he refuses to participate at all.

 Connor Boyack: Why I Do Not Pledge Allegiance to the Flag

Again this raises problems with the 12th Article of Faith and is inconsistent with established Church policy.

  We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

Reference to the 12th Article of Faith always brings up a specious question about Plural marriage, and the guys at LDS Liberty never miss that opportunity.



  • negates the 12th Article of Faith
  • Shiloh Logan The 8th Article of Faith actually vindicates and validates the 12th Article of Faith -- if you are honest and consistent to the message.
  • Charity Angel Do you know who is in this picture? Just curious because I know one of my ancestors was arrested and imprisoned for awhile for polygamy.
  • Spencer W. Morgan One of mine was too, in Idaho. I'll do some digging and see what I can find.
  • Spencer W. Morgan I found a few of the names:

    The photo caption reads:

    "Polygamists in striped prison uniforms, including George Q. Cannon (center with cane), William Gimbert Saunders (second from     right), and William Morley Black (right of Cannon with white beard). These men were also known as "Prisoners of Conscience."


    Just for the record, the 8th Article of Faith is in no way related to political ideology:
     We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

    Evidently, they derive something from the scripture that somehow justifies unlawful acts, as long as they feel good about it, or something like that.
    BTW, it is Wilford Woodruff that is featured in the center.
     It just so happens that I have a my own "Prisoner of Conscience" photo that features my own ancestor, Peter Barton, seated, in the center of the photo.  He served in the Utah State Senate for a term, and was the bishop of the Kaysville Ward for many years.  I don't think he is a particularly good poster child for the cause of rebellion.  He was the first polygamist to be pardoned by the Governor of Utah, for good behavior.  What is seldom considered is that the Lord instructed the church about the practice, when they were supposed to observe it, and when is was to cease.  The "Prisoners of Conscience" were all about obedience, not rebellion.  Too many overlook this point.


When it is the will of the Lord for church members to disobey the law of the land, the Lord will make it known through the Prophet, and none other.  This is not a principle of individualism, the noble one standing against Government oppression and tyranny.  It is the principle of obedience and sacrifice, of sacred covenants with God.  And to construe it as an example of rebellion and non-conformity for appearances is nothing more than mockery, of those faithful ones, and the Lord's laws.



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Tuesday, October 02, 2012

LDS Liberty? I don't think so...



 Here is another sample of LDS Liberty.  I think it captures their core tenets.

Christopher Hansen says:
July 22, 2012 at 9:33 pm

Romney is a Socialist. He proved it with his record in Massachusetts. Romney supports the 2nd, 5th and 10th planks of the Communist Manifesto. The man is just another twin evil Republican. The USA is done for. Put a fork in it. The members are apostate because over 90% are practicing Socialists today. The member apostasy predicted in the Book of Mormon has been well underway.
Members were repeatedly told they could not be faithful and socialists at the same time. They rejected this warning and have embraced the voluntary slavery of Socialist Security and Income taxes and paper money. Name a Mormon that does not voluntarily have a Socialist Security Number and voluntarily file and pay income taxes without even knowing the definition of the word “Dollar” or using the Religious Freedom Restoration Act to free himself/herself from voluntary slavery.
Put a fork in the Elders of Israel. They don’t even read the Constitution let alone know how to save it.
Romney will not change a thing. He was and will remain a Socialist and a puppet of the One Worlders just like most Mormons. Benson was right in Not Commanded in All Things. McKLay was right too.
“Next to being one in worshiping God, there is nothing in this world in which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the Unite States. If members of the Melchizedek Priesthood allow the U.S. Constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the Priesthood, but to a place in this highest degree of glory as well.”
(David O. McKay, The Instructor, Feb. 1956, p.34)
By this statement most so-called Priesthood holders have lost their priesthood and forfeited their right to the Celestial Glory.

One of their popular mottoes - Disobedience to tyranny is obedience to God.  These guys are comparing their rebellion to Daniel in the Lion's Den.  To think that I was arguing with one of them the other day about whether Mitt Romney was narcissistic.



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Is this really LDS Liberty?

 



I'm engaged in a controversy with an internet group, calling themselves "LDS Liberty".  I think they are promulgating some false doctrine, and would prefer that they cease immediately.  Individual Church members are welcome to form their own opinions on any subject, whatever interests them.  But when they begin teaching their opinions as the "true" doctrine, I think it is time for some correction.

 Below is the correspondence I have thus far exchanged.  I will compile my complaints about their teaching and forward it to my bishop.

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